Comments on: Freeze my tuition– please! http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/ Talk for and about Eastern Michigan U. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:09:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sitedad http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54945 sitedad Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:26:51 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54945 I hear what you are saying anonyps, but again, one of the things that's important to take away from this research is the data suggests that, relative to comparable institutions, things here aren't that bad. Certainly we should strive to recruit the best students we can, but we shouldn't get all down on ourselves and think "oh, we are just not worthy, not even compared to places like Western and Central and Wayne State." That flat-out isn't true. I hear what you are saying anonyps, but again, one of the things that’s important to take away from this research is the data suggests that, relative to comparable institutions, things here aren’t that bad. Certainly we should strive to recruit the best students we can, but we shouldn’t get all down on ourselves and think “oh, we are just not worthy, not even compared to places like Western and Central and Wayne State.” That flat-out isn’t true.

]]> By: anonyps http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54931 anonyps Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:25:24 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54931 I don't believe the University's policy is racist nor do I think my posting was meant to imply racism. I really appreciate Sitedad's research on graduation rate, I do believe EMU could improve its reputation if the standards were a little higher but at the end of the day it's all about numbers. As the other posters have stated EMU wishes to continue to be a school of "oppurtunity". I believe that oppurtunity is extended to everyone. I don’t believe the University’s policy is racist nor do I think my posting was meant to imply racism. I really appreciate Sitedad’s research on graduation rate, I do believe EMU could improve its reputation if the standards were a little higher but at the end of the day it’s all about numbers. As the other posters have stated EMU wishes to continue to be a school of “oppurtunity”. I believe that oppurtunity is extended to everyone.

]]> By: sociology of sport http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54926 sociology of sport Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:28:00 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54926 A repeat posting and two new comments: 1. Graduation rates (ones that compare universities) do not include transfer students to EMU. For many of the statistics, our graduation rate is higher than posted (schools such as UM will alwayas look higher because they have more 4 year students). 2. The overall admission gpa required for EMU undergraduates and graduates might be low, but each program can set their gpa higher, and many do. 3. To say that EMU has lower admission standards because of "diversity" is, frankly, a racist statement. Is the assumption diversity means lower expectations? That comment worries me. A repeat posting and two new comments:
1. Graduation rates (ones that compare universities) do not include transfer students to EMU. For many of the statistics, our graduation rate is higher than posted (schools such as UM will alwayas look higher because they have more 4 year students).
2. The overall admission gpa required for EMU undergraduates and graduates might be low, but each program can set their gpa higher, and many do.
3. To say that EMU has lower admission standards because of “diversity” is, frankly, a racist statement. Is the assumption diversity means lower expectations? That comment worries me.

]]> By: Alum http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54811 Alum Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:47:47 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54811 For the first 10 months of 2008 burglaries were down 65% from 2007. The 2008 year stats have not been published on the Web site. For the first 10 months of 2008 burglaries were down 65% from 2007. The 2008 year stats have not been published on the Web site.

]]> By: Alum http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54784 Alum Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:43:13 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54784 Anonyps: Good! Anonyps: Good!

]]> By: anonyps http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54772 anonyps Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:06:07 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54772 I first learned of this issue several years ago when one of the local newspapers, possibly the Ann Arbor news (don't quote me on it) gave the graduation rates for 11 public universities in Michigan. Eastern finished 10th in graduation rate among "traditional" college freshman finishing within a six year time frame. EMU's graduation rate was in the 35 percent range. Central and Western were much higher. Now sure we can factor in continuing eduation, or older adults returning to take classes but at the end of the day the figures I've read and heard from our own admissions people is that EMU has a crisis in terms of retention of students. Just to clarify I never worked in Admissions, I did however work for the University and did ask the question. The answer I recieved was that EMU is "committed to diversity". So this leads me back to the issue at hand, in the article I read from several years ago the University of Michigan graduated close to 80 percent of "traditional freshman" who entered the university with in 6 years. I don't need a lecture on the differences between the two Universities, I'm fully aware of how the Harvard of Ann Arbor views itself. I do think that if EMU wishes to rebuild its image we must atleast acknowledge our faults and attempt to move forward. Alum: I realize many of our students "stop out", that is the point for this conversation why is such a high percentage of our students "stopping out". Why is the school next door keeping their students while ours quit or transfer. When I first read this statistic and then years later heard the same from one of our employees I got a lecture on how as an EMU employee we could all help with retention by being "polite and helpful". I'm done with this rant for awhile and I'll check back periodically but I'd really appreciate some actual concessions that EMU has lowered standards to the point that the students that are now enterring EMU are not prepared to succeed and the University is obviously not prepared to help them because obviously the graduation rate for "traditional freshman" is embarrasing. The measure of a great University can be debated but we cannot deny that alumni and reputation are a huge factor, and lets face it we are graduating less people and with the media's skewed opinion of us lately we need to start from the bottom up.... I first learned of this issue several years ago when one of the local newspapers, possibly the Ann Arbor news (don’t quote me on it) gave the graduation rates for 11 public universities in Michigan.

Eastern finished 10th in graduation rate among “traditional” college freshman finishing within a six year time frame. EMU’s graduation rate was in the 35 percent range.

Central and Western were much higher. Now sure we can factor in continuing eduation, or older adults returning to take classes but at the end of the day the figures I’ve read and heard from our own admissions people is that EMU has a crisis in terms of retention of students.

Just to clarify I never worked in Admissions, I did however work for the University and did ask the question. The answer I recieved was that EMU is “committed to diversity”. So this leads me back to the issue at hand, in the article I read from several years ago the University of Michigan graduated close to 80 percent of “traditional freshman” who entered the university with in 6 years.

I don’t need a lecture on the differences between the two Universities, I’m fully aware of how the Harvard of Ann Arbor views itself. I do think that if EMU wishes to rebuild its image we must atleast acknowledge our faults and attempt to move forward.

Alum:

I realize many of our students “stop out”, that is the point for this conversation why is such a high percentage of our students “stopping out”. Why is the school next door keeping their students while ours quit or transfer.

When I first read this statistic and then years later heard the same from one of our employees I got a lecture on how as an EMU employee we could all help with retention by being “polite and helpful”.

I’m done with this rant for awhile and I’ll check back periodically but I’d really appreciate some actual concessions that EMU has lowered standards to the point that the students that are now enterring EMU are not prepared to succeed and the University is obviously not prepared to help them because obviously the graduation rate for “traditional freshman” is embarrasing.

The measure of a great University can be debated but we cannot deny that alumni and reputation are a huge factor, and lets face it we are graduating less people and with the media’s skewed opinion of us lately we need to start from the bottom up….

]]> By: Alum http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54768 Alum Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:22:05 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54768 Anonyps: If you worked in Admissions you should know the answer. A lot of our students stop out. A large percentage of our students are older and working. Could that be it? Why don't you e-mail the Admissions Director. She is very transparent and will give you an answer. I'm not so sure that our admission standards are close to the same or slightly different than our peers. An admissions advisor told me today that the difference between WMU and EMU is 1/10 of a percent. Eagle Talon: We also have a large percentage of transfer students, who do not count in the grad rate. Must start as Freshman. Anonyps: If you worked in Admissions you should know the answer. A lot of our students stop out. A large percentage of our students are older and working. Could that be it? Why don’t you e-mail the Admissions Director. She is very transparent and will give you an answer. I’m not so sure that our admission standards are close to the same or slightly different than our peers. An admissions advisor told me today that the difference between WMU and EMU is 1/10 of a percent.

Eagle Talon: We also have a large percentage of transfer students, who do not count in the grad rate. Must start as Freshman.

]]> By: Eagle Talon http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54765 Eagle Talon Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:43:51 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54765 I'm curious to know the percentage of EMU students who come here as a 'transitional' phase of their academic career: either taking classes with the intent to transfer to another institution, or taking classes just to take classes and not towards a degree. Do these sort of students count in the graduation rate? That could definitely skew the data since EMU certainly has a large number of transitional students. I’m curious to know the percentage of EMU students who come here as a ‘transitional’ phase of their academic career: either taking classes with the intent to transfer to another institution, or taking classes just to take classes and not towards a degree. Do these sort of students count in the graduation rate? That could definitely skew the data since EMU certainly has a large number of transitional students.

]]> By: sitedad http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54764 sitedad Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:58:25 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54764 We'll see what happens this fall because I have to say that everyone I've talked to says just the opposite. Anecdotal evidence all around, though. We’ll see what happens this fall because I have to say that everyone I’ve talked to says just the opposite. Anecdotal evidence all around, though.

]]> By: anonyps http://emutalk.org/2009/04/freeze-my-tuition-please/comment-page-1/#comment-54759 anonyps Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:26:43 +0000 http://emutalk.org/?p=1520#comment-54759 Alum: As I stated I live in Ypsilanti and attend EMU, I totally agree that the University and city have gotten a bad rap based on recent scandals and media coverage. I'm still looking for someone who still works for the University to explain why a 33 percent graduation rate is acceptable, and second why raising standards has anything to do with diversity. I agree that EMU benefits from having a great number of cultures on campus, I 'd just like to know what Eastern's current plan is for improving the graduation and retention rate. Something tells me that if they continue to allow students entrance that are not prepared for the course work we will continue to see the opinion of EMU slip lower and lower. Alum:

As I stated I live in Ypsilanti and attend EMU, I totally agree that the University and city have gotten a bad rap based on recent scandals and media coverage.

I’m still looking for someone who still works for the University to explain why a 33 percent graduation rate is acceptable, and second why raising standards has anything to do with diversity.

I agree that EMU benefits from having a great number of cultures on campus, I ‘d just like to know what Eastern’s current plan is for improving the graduation and retention rate.

Something tells me that if they continue to allow students entrance that are not prepared for the course work we will continue to see the opinion of EMU slip lower and lower.

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