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		<title>Comment on Is anyone else&#8217;s EMU Email wonky right now? by Mark Higbee</title>
		<link>http://emutalk.org/2010/09/is-anyone-elses-emu-email-wonky-right-now/comment-page-1/#comment-62993</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Higbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, sitedad, email doesn&#039;t work to say that email is down....but a large organization&#039;s web site is a very effective and often used means of conveying that kind of news to large numbers of people.  Indeed, I believe it&#039;s standard practice at lots of campuses and large organization. Simple and easy, but putting such a notice on the EMU website, which could have informed hundreds of thousands of people of the nature of the problem (and that it wasn&#039;t local to their machine, connections or building), would require a DECISION by two separate divisions that conveying timely information to the EMU community is better than....leaving everyone in the dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, sitedad, email doesn&#8217;t work to say that email is down&#8230;.but a large organization&#8217;s web site is a very effective and often used means of conveying that kind of news to large numbers of people.  Indeed, I believe it&#8217;s standard practice at lots of campuses and large organization. Simple and easy, but putting such a notice on the EMU website, which could have informed hundreds of thousands of people of the nature of the problem (and that it wasn&#8217;t local to their machine, connections or building), would require a DECISION by two separate divisions that conveying timely information to the EMU community is better than&#8230;.leaving everyone in the dark.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is anyone else&#8217;s EMU Email wonky right now? by sitedad</title>
		<link>http://emutalk.org/2010/09/is-anyone-elses-emu-email-wonky-right-now/comment-page-1/#comment-62985</link>
		<dc:creator>sitedad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, it&#039;s hard to let people know if the email system is down.  I mean, send an email, and....

Actually, many things internet related seem to be kind of wonky here at the start of the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, it&#8217;s hard to let people know if the email system is down.  I mean, send an email, and&#8230;.</p>
<p>Actually, many things internet related seem to be kind of wonky here at the start of the term.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is anyone else&#8217;s EMU Email wonky right now? by Mark Higbee</title>
		<link>http://emutalk.org/2010/09/is-anyone-elses-emu-email-wonky-right-now/comment-page-1/#comment-62981</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Higbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the EMU email system is down and has been for an hour or so; but there&#039;s been no effort to inform the EMU community of this fact.  Instead, the option has been chosen to allow hundreds or thousands of people to each individually spend endless time trying to get on.  A notice on the University website would be effective and save a lot of people a lot of time.  Has anyone been down this same road before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the EMU email system is down and has been for an hour or so; but there&#8217;s been no effort to inform the EMU community of this fact.  Instead, the option has been chosen to allow hundreds or thousands of people to each individually spend endless time trying to get on.  A notice on the University website would be effective and save a lot of people a lot of time.  Has anyone been down this same road before?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is anyone else&#8217;s EMU Email wonky right now? by Mark Higbee</title>
		<link>http://emutalk.org/2010/09/is-anyone-elses-emu-email-wonky-right-now/comment-page-1/#comment-62979</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Higbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today, my phone in Hoyt is working, at last, but my office email connection is down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, my phone in Hoyt is working, at last, but my office email connection is down.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is anyone else&#8217;s EMU Email wonky right now? by cheryl</title>
		<link>http://emutalk.org/2010/09/is-anyone-elses-emu-email-wonky-right-now/comment-page-1/#comment-62942</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t used my phone at all since moving to Hoyt (that silly Spanish tv station), and frankly haven&#039;t missed it. Instead, like many of us, I use email which is more convenient for students and for me. Like Sitedad, I meet with students regularly face to face to answer questions and share information. I too hate talking on the phone. I do like that Skype idea, though, since I Skype with my daughter at Michigan State regularly. It&#039;s fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t used my phone at all since moving to Hoyt (that silly Spanish tv station), and frankly haven&#8217;t missed it. Instead, like many of us, I use email which is more convenient for students and for me. Like Sitedad, I meet with students regularly face to face to answer questions and share information. I too hate talking on the phone. I do like that Skype idea, though, since I Skype with my daughter at Michigan State regularly. It&#8217;s fun.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Why Teaching is not Priority No. 1&#8243; by cmadler</title>
		<link>http://emutalk.org/2010/09/why-teaching-is-not-priority-no-1/comment-page-1/#comment-62933</link>
		<dc:creator>cmadler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t read the entire article (not on campus and no my.emich account) but it seems to me that there are three issues that must be tackled sequentially.

1. Should the primary output of university faculty be research, articles, etc. or should it be education of students? My sense (as someone outside academia) is that at most (all?) universities, the primary output of faculty is research, but perhaps a shift is brewing?
2. If the primary output is -- or should be -- student education, how best to measure that?
3. My sense is that faculty incentives generally center around research, so if the primary output should be student education the incentive structure must change. Assuming that student educational outcomes can be fairly measured (which may be a false assumption), what is the best way to incentivize teaching without a total disruption of the tenure system.

I think the second and third issues are ones that K-12 schools have been struggling with for a while, but because of the emphasis on faculty research, universities haven&#039;t considered them as much, and perhaps are just now considering the first question.

Like I said, however, I can&#039;t read the entire article so I&#039;m extrapolating from the first paragraph and the quote you gave, and my career has always been outside academia, so maybe I&#039;m misreading the current state of affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t read the entire article (not on campus and no my.emich account) but it seems to me that there are three issues that must be tackled sequentially.</p>
<p>1. Should the primary output of university faculty be research, articles, etc. or should it be education of students? My sense (as someone outside academia) is that at most (all?) universities, the primary output of faculty is research, but perhaps a shift is brewing?<br />
2. If the primary output is &#8212; or should be &#8212; student education, how best to measure that?<br />
3. My sense is that faculty incentives generally center around research, so if the primary output should be student education the incentive structure must change. Assuming that student educational outcomes can be fairly measured (which may be a false assumption), what is the best way to incentivize teaching without a total disruption of the tenure system.</p>
<p>I think the second and third issues are ones that K-12 schools have been struggling with for a while, but because of the emphasis on faculty research, universities haven&#8217;t considered them as much, and perhaps are just now considering the first question.</p>
<p>Like I said, however, I can&#8217;t read the entire article so I&#8217;m extrapolating from the first paragraph and the quote you gave, and my career has always been outside academia, so maybe I&#8217;m misreading the current state of affairs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emus lose opener in an &#8220;electrical&#8221; event by sitedad</title>
		<link>http://emutalk.org/2010/09/emus-lose-opener-in-a-electrical-event/comment-page-1/#comment-62906</link>
		<dc:creator>sitedad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emu is good eatin&#039;-- sort of like beefy chicken.

I might be wrong about this, but I was under the impression that at U of M, at least some of the concession stands were run by various local groups trying to raise money for some cause-- you know, a local soccer league, a women&#039;s shelter, whatever.  Maybe even church groups, I&#039;m not sure.  

Anyway, it might cost EMU the $200 they make selling stuff, but if they could figure out a way to get it approved for outside groups to come in to sell hot dogs and such and use it as a fundraiser, it&#039;d probably be better food and a great community building gesture.  Just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emu is good eatin&#8217;&#8211; sort of like beefy chicken.</p>
<p>I might be wrong about this, but I was under the impression that at U of M, at least some of the concession stands were run by various local groups trying to raise money for some cause&#8211; you know, a local soccer league, a women&#8217;s shelter, whatever.  Maybe even church groups, I&#8217;m not sure.  </p>
<p>Anyway, it might cost EMU the $200 they make selling stuff, but if they could figure out a way to get it approved for outside groups to come in to sell hot dogs and such and use it as a fundraiser, it&#8217;d probably be better food and a great community building gesture.  Just saying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emus lose opener in an &#8220;electrical&#8221; event by cmadler</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmadler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alum: sorry, I was thinking of the outside vendors, which on Saturday, comprised Caribou Coffee, a popcorn cart, and two carnival food vendors. (Maybe one other I forgot?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alum: sorry, I was thinking of the outside vendors, which on Saturday, comprised Caribou Coffee, a popcorn cart, and two carnival food vendors. (Maybe one other I forgot?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Emus lose opener in an &#8220;electrical&#8221; event by Jim Allen</title>
		<link>http://emutalk.org/2010/09/emus-lose-opener-in-a-electrical-event/comment-page-1/#comment-62893</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be a faux pas to serve cooked emus at our home games?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Emus lose opener in an &#8220;electrical&#8221; event by The Gipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No food should be served any where on campus that is not good enough to make the people to whom it is served fondly anticipate returning another time, to the same kind of venue and event,  to enjoy more of that food.   This is the standard in the food service industry, and it sure as heck should be the standard on this campus, as it is on most. 

 Somehow, for most of the campus, that standard is achieved, but year after year, not true for football and other athletic events.  We&#039;ve made hundreds of fans sick over the years with the kind of food Alum describes, and nobody thinks, fondly, of going to an EMU game and enjoying the food.  The negative consequences for the University are not trivial.  Local school groups have been brought to EMU games, and made sick by the food, and then have talked for weeks about how &quot;bad EMU is&quot; because of the &quot;gross&quot; food.   Marketing people should take notice of this, if they are serious about increasing game attendance or about protecting the university&#039;s reputation.   Games are supposed to represent the University well, not at sub-standard levels of performance on such things as food service even non-athletic levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No food should be served any where on campus that is not good enough to make the people to whom it is served fondly anticipate returning another time, to the same kind of venue and event,  to enjoy more of that food.   This is the standard in the food service industry, and it sure as heck should be the standard on this campus, as it is on most. </p>
<p> Somehow, for most of the campus, that standard is achieved, but year after year, not true for football and other athletic events.  We&#8217;ve made hundreds of fans sick over the years with the kind of food Alum describes, and nobody thinks, fondly, of going to an EMU game and enjoying the food.  The negative consequences for the University are not trivial.  Local school groups have been brought to EMU games, and made sick by the food, and then have talked for weeks about how &#8220;bad EMU is&#8221; because of the &#8220;gross&#8221; food.   Marketing people should take notice of this, if they are serious about increasing game attendance or about protecting the university&#8217;s reputation.   Games are supposed to represent the University well, not at sub-standard levels of performance on such things as food service even non-athletic levels.</p>
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